Subj: Travellers Digest 268
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			    TRAVELLER Digest 268

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) 
	by gdw.support@genie.geis.com
  2) Re: TRAVELLER Digest 267
	by "Harold D. Hale" <hdhale@tasc.com>
  3) SF collection for sale
	by Glenn Myers <gem188@ansys.com>
  4) K'kree
	by Bri Kaszycki <bri@teleport.com>

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 00:32:00 UTC
From: gdw.support@genie.geis.com
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Message-ID: <199504270050.AA076743838@relay1.geis.com>

 traveller@mpgn.com
 
 From TRAVELLER Digest 249
 
 David Reed
 > LOREN!!! How could you permit that hideous, awful, absolutely
 > heinous pun on the back of Hivers and Ithklur?!
 
 Among aficionados of the pun, the success of the pun is
 proportional to the reaction. The louder the screams of pain, the
 funnier the pun was.
 
 That one was Dave's, actually. Nobody seems to have discovered
 any of my jokes yet (or at least, no one has commented on
 them...maybe I'm too subtle).
 
 From TRAVELLER Digest 251
 
 Andrew Boulton
 
 > Could you go and bang a few heads together down
 > in the subscriptions dept? They seem to have forgotten
 > that they owe me another years worth.
 
 Could you Email me your address, subscription number, et
 cetera? I'll look into it.
 
 ------------------------------
 
 Steve Bonneville
 
 > The twenty-sixth century pre-Imperial runs from AD 1918 to AD
 > 2017.
 
 On a slightly different topic, as a historian by training, I am
 appalled by the possibility that much of the primary source
 material for the history of the 20th century is in danger of
 vanishing (imagine studying the Vietman War based on a few
 movies, a Reader's Digest condensed version of Westmorland's
 memoirs, fragments of a World Book Encyclopedia entry, and
 whatever physical remains can be excavated 1800 years from now).
 1) The acid content of the paper used in the publication of
 almost all books and magazines from the civil war until almost
 the present means that the primary source documents for history
 are gradually becoming unreadable. GDW has several bound sets of
 late 19th century magazines (Harpers Weekly, et al., acquired for
 $.25 each at a garage sale for Space: 1889 research) which
 require careful handling if the pages are not to crumble to dust.
 I have seen books from the U of I library that were in worse
 shape. On the other hand, I have an 1840 translation of Josephus
 that has pages as supple as the day it was printed. There is not
 enough money for libraries to mircofilm everything immediately,
 and a certain number of documents are literally falling apart
 every year, some of them irreplaceable.
 
 2. The emulsion used for most movie film until the 1970s means
 that a gigantic amount of the newsreel footage of the 20th
 century is in danger of crumbling to flakes. Again, money for
 preservation is the problem. Preservation efforts have been
 concentrated on saving Hollywood movies, but the vital stuff of
 history is not _Gone With the Wind_, it is the Movietone News. A
 similar problem is encountered with microfilm and microfiche
 (also, a few years ago, the Library of Congress discovered
 that a fungus with an afinity for celluloid had eaten some
 of its microfilm collection...I don't know if this problem
 was ever solved).
 
 3. The Library of Congress and the Census Bureau have data on
 magnetic media that they can no longer access because the
 computer equipment to read it is no longer manufactured. As a
 note of possible relevance to Traveller fans, most of the Classic
 Traveller books were typeset on an IBM Electronic Selectric
 Typesetter, and recorded on mag cards, which we no longer have
 the equipment to read. Some of the Classic products and most of
 the MegaTraveller products were typeset on an MCS typesetting
 system, and are recorded on 5-1/4" disks which can be read to a
 PC using a special translation disk and a _lot_ of time.
 
 My field of study was ancient Rome. When I thnk of the
 inestimable historical value that is represented by just _one_
 intact Roman census, and the mountains of contemporary data that
 are in danger of vanishing, it makes me wonder if historians of
 the future will be bewailing the lack of sources for the period
 AD 1850-2000.
 
 Sorry for going on for so long, but I think of this subject
 whenever I read a SF story that makes reference to "the ancient
 20th Century." Maybe all the problems have already been solved,
 maybe they soon will be...
 
 Loren K. Wiseman
            for GDW,Inc.

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 10:30:47 -0400
From: "Harold D. Hale" <hdhale@tasc.com>
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Re: TRAVELLER Digest 267
Message-ID: <9504271429.AA20330@classic.dayt.tasc.com>

***WARNING*** 
 
Experimental e-mail message. I'm trying a new piece of software, 
so if this message is garbage, you have my humble apologies.... 
 
Joseph Heck and Christopher Weuve ask: 
 
>Does anyone know if the expanded star "database" is available  
>anywhere? 
 
>Uh, the database with the nearest stars from Sol - the run of it 
>I have (from a couple years ago) has ~1700 entries and reaches  
>out some 80 ly.  The new database was supposed to include stars 
>even more distant from Sol. 
 
   I believe you are referring to the Gliese listing, which 
I thought the one produced two years ago was the most recent. 
If there is a new one, I'm not sure where you could find it 
on Internet, but answers have a strange way of popping up 
around here, so hang on.... 
 
   I have personally produced a list of known star locations 
in the Solomani Rim which is available via WWW at: 
 
http://enterprise.shv.hb.se/~goeran/Traveller/ 
 
   That list contains all the stars within 7 parsecs, plus all 
the stars down to A main sequence types for 50 light years 
(that are within the Solomani Rim, that is). Other select stars 
are also included--total for the list is around 77 systems and 
well over 120 individual stars. 
                              
 
 




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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 15:43:43 EDT
From: Glenn Myers <gem188@ansys.com>
To: xboat%MPGN.COM@ansys.com
Cc: traveller%MPGN.COM@ansys.com
Subject: SF collection for sale
Message-ID: <9504271945.AA10650@fea1.ansys.com.ansys.com>

Hi All,

I know that this isn't SFLovers maillist but I discovered an 
absolutely fantastic collection of science fiction. I have completed
my collections of Piper, Niven, Anderson, Cherryh, Heinlein, Norton,
Pournelle and others. 

In my glutted sated stupor I have thought of the TML and hereby 
offer to help anyone else looking for rare science fiction. 
This is the lifetime collection of a true fan. Nearly everything
is in mint condition. It appears to include complete collections
from several authors. It spans $0.40 Ace books from the early 60's
to recent 90's titles. I have yet to see another eight boxes of it.

Anyway, if anyone is seeking specific titles, email me with 
author, title, and price. I will check the collection again in a
week (when I have more cash.) The owner has been much more than 
fair on price so far.



TTFN,

Glenn, deliriously happy....a quest is at an end!

BTW, Whatever happened to SFLovers? I haven't heard from it in 
months.


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| Glenn E. Myers  gmyers@ansys.com |
| User Interface and Graphics Team |
| ANSYS, Inc.  (412) 873-2913      | 
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bri Kaszycki <bri@teleport.com>
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: K'kree
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950427143408.16828A-100000@kelly.teleport.com>

(sorry if this may have already been coverd, but this is my first posting 
to this mailing list and i just subscribed today.)

 Does anyone out there have any info ect. On the K'kree race?
from what i can glean about them in the tne book. They seem to be a 
relativitley isolated race/goverment and given this I would assume that 
they would have a diffrent computer system then the standard Imperial.
 So with that in mind, am I the only one who thinks that they would have 
survived the Virus alot better off then most?
 Was just wondering. because the idea of a K'kree scout with a small 
amount of backup going exploring/land claiming(depending on how they are) 
could make for a interesting campaing and one I know I would at least 
like to give a look at. Would be a major culture shock if it was their 
first exploration.
 Anyways, any info and or how to make K'kree characters would be 
appriciated in the fullest sense of the word.
bri


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